So, I don't know if you've heard, but they're thinking of electing a new president.
Of course you've heard. You couldn't have missed it, with all the shouting from both sides (we are a nation of equal opportunity meanies). Some of the vitriol I've seen and read has made me feel suddenly less alarmed by the scuffles that sometimes erupt in the back of my mini-van.
I know you've heard of political correctness, the idea of conducting yourself in a way to "minimize offense". You might think that notion was invented by the media, or sociologists. But you would be wrong.
It was invented by Southern women.
We've made "minimizing offensiveness" an art form. We do it all day. We are trained to do it at our mothers' knees. In fact, I remember, quite distinctly, my parents telling me never, ever to bring up politics or money in conversation unless you were absolutely certain where the other person stood. And even then, you should proceed carefully.
Since I have received such fine training myself, I thought I would offer up the following to the Whole Entire Internet, Or At Least The Portion That Blogs About Politics.
1. Do not make assumptions that the person you're talking with must vote a certain way because of her gender, race, religion, or shoe size. That simply tells your conversation partner that you don't think she's smart enough to make up her own mind, and that is just plain tacky. Anyway, you know what they say about assumptions....well, I'll let you look that one up on your own.
2. To expand on #1, when you begin a political discussion with a stranger or acquaintance, do not launch into a tirade about how horrible Senator Joe Don is, because this stranger might be voting for Joe Don. Heck, your stranger might have a Daddy whose old football coach once had his hair cut by Joe Don's niece. It is the South, you know.
3. Name calling is completely, always inappropriate. But if you really feel you must throw around words such as "socialist" and "radical right-wing nut-job", it would soften things a bit if you would insert a "bless his heart" at the end of sentence.
4. When you go to the polls in November, please do not wear white shoes, because that is after Labor Day. It has nothing to do with politics, but I just needed to squeeze it in.
5. Do not blanket statements of fact: "ALL Republicans are money-hungry," or "ALL Democrats are overly emotional," or "All Texans have big hair." Blanket statements are almost never true, and they just make the speaker sound desperate and uninformed. And anyway, I've known plenty of Texans whose hair size was only slightly above average.
6. It's okay to disagree with someone and still like them. Even if they're voting for the Other Guy, or--worse--cheering for the University of Texas football team. (I know. I'm bagging on Texas a little. They're big, they can handle it.)
7. Be charming. If you find yourself utterly and completely annoyed, then make a joke. If charming doesn't work, head straight for that great old friend of Southern women, passive-aggressiveness. You could even, perhaps, and I'm speaking purely hypothetically here, write a blog post about it...
Amen!!! I've, fortunately, been finding some of the political diatribe that is ocurring on many blogs, comical. So many times it's one group accusing the other group of something that they are both equally guilty of doing. It's rather ridiculous, really.
Posted by: Nicki | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Oh, you are too funny! And, I must add that #7 is is much appreciated and skillfully used here in the Wild West too . . .
Posted by: Amber | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 12:57 AM
All good advice!!
I will write down #4 as it seems rather important.
I use #7 a lot and I'm not even from the South!
Posted by: Lisa @ Stop and Smell the Chocolates | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 01:09 AM
ooooooo I guess my Palin post from last week was in bad taste!!! Yicks!
Posted by: Marcy Massura-The Glamorous Life | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 01:12 AM
Oh, I enjoyed that! Almost as much as I enjoyed all those comments on the Regional Stereotypes post! (Reckless Michigan Drivers!)
You know, the one glimmer of hope I have in the "next generation" is that it seems a bit less politically divided and a bit more bipartisan.
In unrelated news, I had to read the "Joe Don" about five times before I got it. Hey, it's after midnight.
Posted by: Stretch Mark Mama | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 02:31 AM
LOL-- loved this post, bless your heart!!! (and you know I mean that sincerely, not passive-aggressively, right? Because I do.)
Mary
Posted by: owlhaven | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 02:48 AM
Oh hilarious. I do like posts that help me get a better picture of what you Americans are REALLY like :)
Posted by: Eva | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 05:34 AM
Very, very funny! And, can I just say that your summer break has made me appreciate your blog all the more. I'm so happy to be able to check it each day and find something new and great!
Posted by: Amy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 05:51 AM
Amen and Amen.
I followed the last part of number 7 a while back and actually wrote about the same thing... only with out the wonderful wit and humor that you use. When did we start acting like such children?
One more... be aware of the issues and don't be afraid to admit that you may agree with the other side on a particular one, or that you've matured enough to root for the University of Texas against opponents like OU. I'm just sayin' (as an Aggie).
:)
Posted by: WayMoreHomemade (Donna) | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 06:01 AM
If my 5th graders acted as mean and hateful as those in many political ads, they'd be staying in at recess writing sentences like, "If I can't stay anything nice about someone, then I won't say anything at all." Love your age-old advice!
Posted by: mimi2six | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 06:06 AM
Love it. Number 4 is my favorite.
Posted by: Jeana | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 06:06 AM
What a great post! The white shoes made me chuckle!
-Sandy Toes
Posted by: Debbie Glosson | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 06:24 AM
Hey, just because we cheer for a Great Team doesn't mean you should haze us, lol!
Hook em!
(sorry, but you brought it up!)
Posted by: Judy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 06:43 AM
Oh my goodness, #3 cracked me up! Being transplanted to the South from the north (3 years ago), I have totally gotten to see that phrase in action. I have not perfected it yet, (not even close!). But I keep working on it.....
Posted by: Jackie | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 07:17 AM
Thank you for this post! All of the bickering makes me tense. I don't care where people stand - I may not agree, and I may not understand your stance, but I certainly don't want to waste your time or my own trying to change your opinion.
Oh, and my husband (UT Alum) has matured to the point that he let an Aggie put in our sprinkler system (amazing job!) AND an Aggie is going to be my orthodontist (because I need braces at 30 - ugh.)
Posted by: Melanie | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 07:23 AM
LOL-great list! i have to agree w/ "Amber" on #7 being widely used in the west. when we lived in seattle, we met a lot of experts in the art of passive-aggressiveness :)
Posted by: prasti | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 07:29 AM
Excellent post. As a life-long southerner, I couldn't agree more. I also find that Point #2 comes in handy around here in any situation, not just politics. In my neck of the woods, most people are related to Joe Don...several times over.
Posted by: Debbie | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 07:41 AM
Too funny, Shannon! Can you distribute your list to both campaigns and the media??
And the "bless his heart" made me laugh out loud!
Posted by: Jeni | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 07:43 AM
Love it! I totally relate to #4. Husband thinks I'm nuts because I refuse to wear white after Labor Day.
Posted by: Alicia | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 07:47 AM
I'm not in or from the South, but still I have to say: Amen, Sister! :-)
Posted by: Katy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 07:52 AM
HILARIOUS!! And so true! Awesome.
Posted by: Kristen | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:23 AM
Oh my goodness, #3 is so funny. Probably because my dh likes to throw out such wonderful diatribes against "ignorant lib-tards" and the idea of him ending with a "bless his heart" at the end made me snort my coffee up my nose.
Posted by: Jolyn | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:25 AM
Hehehehe . . .
As a Texas gal with-not-so-big hair, I found this post true and funny and just plain . . . well, great.
Good job, Shannon!
Posted by: Kelly @ Wisdom Begun | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:34 AM
I've been lurking for months at your blog and have finally been brought out to comment because of this brilliant post.
Thanks for the laugh!
Posted by: Cathy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:35 AM
YES. Also, something like www.factcheck.org is a good idea. Lest we be spreading untruth.
Posted by: Sarah at themommylogues | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:46 AM
YES. Also, something like www.factcheck.org is a good idea. Lest we be spreading untruth.
Posted by: Sarah at themommylogues | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:46 AM
So what's wrong with big Texas hair? We're working hard to keep the hair products industry in business. :) Great post.
Posted by: Rebecca | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:00 AM
Do white flip-flops count? I AM in Florida after all and they are the state footwear.
Posted by: Anissa@Hope4Peyton | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:01 AM
Girl I have been waiting for a post like this! You hit it right on...on more than one issue! :)
Posted by: The Roost | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:03 AM
So what's wrong with big Texas hair? We're working hard to keep the hair products industry in business. :) Great post.
Posted by: Rebecca | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:04 AM
I love how you demonstrate #3 in #6.
Posted by: Leslie | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:05 AM
OH! You had me at #3! ROFL!
Being a displaced easterner now potted in the NW, I have to be MN 'nice'? *faints*
perfect!
Well said! <>
Posted by: DES | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Thank you for this -- especially #4--when will people learn this????
My 17YO daughter overheard a political ad or something on the radio the other day, turned to me and asked "how old are these people?" I told her that sometimes they pass themselves off as adults.
Posted by: Susan | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:26 AM
I can't believe how often our neighbors and co-workers don't follow the "don't talk about politics" rule. Many of them jump into a diatribe about candidates I like and after 20 minutes of ranting, they want to know what I think. Like I'm about to say anything!!
How can we spread your list? Maybe I'll post it on the local bulletin boards. (I mean the actual cork boards at the grocery store . . .)
Posted by: Emily | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Bless his heart = charming
Bless his little heart = charm with an edge
Bless his ever-lovin' little heart = passive-aggressive
Posted by: Bowden | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:55 AM
Some days I'm glad I'm a yankee. This election season has been far more entertaining than any I can remember.
Posted by: Lucy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:56 AM
As an Okie transplant now living in east Texas, I will say that my boss's mom's hair is the biggest thing I've ever seen. Bless her heart!
Posted by: Jennifer | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:58 AM
And never discuss religion. In some cases, politics and money are their religion.
Posted by: Melanie | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I'm not Southern and have never actually been to the South (unless you count Hawaii, where it is permissible in a pinch to go shopping in a swimsuit), but I'm right with you on this! Preach it, sistah! (Is that right? I don't know the lingo)
Posted by: edj | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:09 AM
I grew up the same way! I wish people wouldn't talk to so openly about politics, because you never know where the other person stands. And I agree about the white shoes too.
Posted by: Jennifer | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Oh I love it! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I'm so sick of hearing all the bashing going on. Why can't we all just have a well informed discussion about both candidates instead of attacking!
Posted by: Summer | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:13 AM
LOVE #3! Great, great post. Very refreshing.
Posted by: Jennifer (Et Tu?) | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Excellent advice. Now. Do you have any advice on how to politely forward this email to a few of my wacko friends, bless their hearts...
Posted by: Queen B | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Two thumbs up! Especially the BIG hair comments! :)
Posted by: Jai@wifeof1momof4 | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM
I love it! I think #3 is my favorite.
Posted by: Lisa | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM
You don't being up politics OR RELIGION, is what my mama told me. And for the record, I only vote because it's my duty but I HATE POLITICS!!!
Posted by: Beth @ A Quest for Relevance | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Too true. And don't worry, I am from Texas and I wasn't offended at all. My hair is only slightly big on non-humid days and I can't stand the University of Texas. I'm an Aggie, BTW.
Posted by: Someone Being Me | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Bless your heart.
I appreciate the sentiments, all of them. Just for the record I am a Texan, with slightly big hair that wouldn't be caught dead in white shoes after Labor day!
Posted by: mzzterry | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:13 AM
You say socialist like it's a bad thing! ;)
Good post!
Posted by: Helen | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Could we add, "Don't forward nasty emails with content that is unsupported by the facts to everyone on your mailing list" to the list? Or at least hit up factcheck.org and snopes before you do?
Posted by: Texas in Africa | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:25 AM
hehehe....my grandparents moved up north from Texas when my mother was 16 and I remember my grandma would be a negative nelly about someone and end it with bless his/her heart...and to this day it cracks me. The other one she used was if it was a behavior thing, "but he means well" gah.
Posted by: Carrie | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Amen!
And for the record, I always liked my big hair, bless my little heart.
Hook 'em horns!!!
Posted by: Dawn W | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Soooo niceeee.
Posted by: Alex Galla | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Well bless your heart. Now you're just waiting for the insult, aren't you? Don't worry, there won't be any :-) I loved this post - very well said.
Posted by: Cheri | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:45 AM
hook 'em! it's not your fault you weren't blessed to be a texan...bless your heart! :)
Posted by: Rachel | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:50 AM
I will respectfully disagree with one statement... All Texans DO indeed have big hair. Texas is considered part of the south, and all southern women have big hair...some are just better at hiding it than others.
Posted by: Gina Lane | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Amen.
Watching the whole election thing as a woman living in the US with a green card and therefore cannot vote, I figure that all I am seeing is nothing that a timer and a big trouble chair cannot fix....sorry, could not resist.
Not that I can say much because our home country is having an election too, and it is just as ugly.
I really appreciate your post!
Posted by: Mrs. Pear | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Nicely done! ;)
Posted by: A&EMom | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Amen sister! My northern friends get red in the face at passive-aggressiveness but I find it's a great tool for making your point!
Posted by: The Cotton Wife | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 01:08 PM
Whoo-Hoo! Only 46 more days to go, and then we can be people again, not just Dems and Pubs!
Posted by: Robyn | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Amen. And anytime a "bless his/her heart' is thrown in, it removes all judgment and gossip from the preceding statement....I'm sure it's part of Southern law....
Jefferson Davis...bless his heart...
Blessings!
Posted by: Octamom | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 03:03 PM
I just wish my family members knew these rules. (See my post entitled "Vote AND Die?")
Posted by: Jen | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 04:26 PM
This is all so true!!! Grew up in the South & this is just SO TRUE!!!! Love this post!!!
Jennifer
Posted by: Sweet Sunshine Boutique | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 05:09 PM
A friend of mine just linked to you in a comment on my site. We've got a pretty catty debate brewin'. Hopefully, everyone reads this first!
Posted by: Julie maloney | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 05:09 PM
"Name calling is completely, always inappropriate. But if you really feel you must throw around words such as "socialist" and "radical right-wing nut-job", it would soften things a bit if you would insert a "bless his heart" at the end of sentence."
THAT ONE CRACKED ME UP!
Posted by: nat | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 05:12 PM
Teehee!!! Clever post. I love that I can hear your voice coming through your posts, now that we've met in person.
Posted by: Musings of a Housewife | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 05:17 PM
I am thinkin that both sides need to go back to kindergarten and learn how to play well with others. Bless their little hearts.
Posted by: Bonnie | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Love this post. You did a great job.
Here in Oregon we don't go to the polls...our State does poll mail-in. So, I will make sure not to wear "white shoes" while I sit in my livingroom and vote. Which by the way is on my birthday!
~Amy
Posted by: Amy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 06:06 PM
I was just whining to my husband the other day about how worried I was about my hair when he gets elected to Congress! He said not to worry! Since I'm from Oregon I could wear dreadlocks if I want! WHEW! That's a load off my mind!
Posted by: moobeema | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 06:46 PM
Amen! Your Mama raised you right (pronounced with the syrupy Savannah accents of my mother and grandmother).
And #4? Genius. Wearing white after Labor Day is just plain tacky!
And don't forget, responding "How nice" to some politcal discussions is also southern belle code for something completely different! :-)
Posted by: SusanB | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:09 PM
LOVE this post! Thank you!
Posted by: Betty | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:14 PM
O this is such an important post with all that very critical info. I will make sure I remember #4 when I go to the poles, I would not want to offend anyone in the fashion industry..Too funny !!!
Posted by: Nancy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Oh, how I love it! Last week, I was tasked with informing some of my coworkers, via email, about some less-than-pleasant duties we'd all have to do... and I received a reply which said, "I just have to tell you, that was very well worded. Good job." I wrote back and replied, "Thank you. I majored in tact." A skill which my southern father instilled in me, just like eatin' grits. ;)
Posted by: Angela | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:18 PM
Great post. LOL!
I am SO not from the South, alhtough I've been known to throw a y'all around here and there. So I MIGHT just go out and wear white shoes to vote. GASP!
But, your other rules are very true. I live and work in a population of people mostly-inclined-opposite-of-me politically, and I get that ALL the time... people assume you're with them, and it's very awkward to say, "well, actually, um... I see it differently."
Posted by: Jenny @ a latte talk | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:42 PM
AMEN, my fellow GRITS! BTW, I am a Longhorn but do not have big hair, and I still found this funny and agree with you and think anyone showing up in white shoes on election day should have their vote thrown out, bless their hearts...
Posted by: Laura Leigh (LLMajer) | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 08:52 PM
I LOVE this post, because:
a) I am a Southern girl who has been raised in EXACTLY the same way (although when you get around my daddy you know PRECISELY what his views are, thank you very much!)
b) It gives me the opportunity to state: yes, we do wear shoes here in Alabama, and we also know that white and linen are NOT OK after Labor Day...no matter what you non-Southerners may say (or choose to do for fashions sake). It is also essential for your little girl to wear a bow and a slip on Sunday to church. Fancy Panty Bloomers are also required.
Posted by: Megan@Hold it Up to the Light | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:20 PM
Oh my goodness! I just don't even know how to tell you how much I love this post!!!
It is beyond fabulous. If there is anyone out there who doesn't like this post...well, bless her heart.
Posted by: Lipstickatthemailbox | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:33 PM
well spoken
Posted by: april | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:50 PM
Bless your heart this is the best political post I've read months.
Posted by: Fawndear | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:51 PM
Loved this post and had to share it with the hubby who also enjoyed it. We're living overseas and our mantra is "never speak of politics ever, ever, ever"... be it American or local. Being southern (and charming of course) comes in handy when pushy people try to pull you into a political discussion. If the charm isn't sufficient then the steel magnolia side of me kicks in.
Posted by: Kim | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 09:57 PM
Oh my goodness, I am in stitches!!!! I've been trying to think of a way to bring up the issue of slander in the political realm, but hey, I'll just forward them to you...why bother? LOL!
Love this post!
Posted by: LauraLee Shaw | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Oh, thank you. And, thank you again.
(Not just for the "rules", but for the laughs... very funny!!!)
Posted by: Betsy | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 10:37 PM
so true! i'm so tired of reading all the angry blog posts about politics. it's like you said - the person they're attacking might very well be the person i'm voting for...
Posted by: emily | Friday, September 19, 2008 at 11:13 PM
From a Texas girl, I second all those comments. Especially the passive aggressive,, bless your heart part. It's always amazing to me how some people can totally be rude and somehow you end up saying "thank you!" at the end. I guess I must not be a true Texan, since I never really mastered that art.
Posted by: Nancy | Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 06:53 AM
Thank you for the light touch on the political season. I will have to admit the nastiness of it all is getting me and my big "hay-er" down.
Posted by: Tina @ Antique Mommy | Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 07:30 AM
I thought the "not wearing white after labor day" rule was revoked by stacey and clinton
Posted by: dina | Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 07:39 AM
Wow! My friend and I have been discussing all week how terrible it is that people assume we share their political views, and therefore go off on all sorts of tirades.
I also love the whole, "You can disagree with someone and still like them." I'm surprised at how many people don't get that.
Thanks again!
Posted by: Brandy T. | Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 12:24 PM
I love it !!! I really love #3. I think its a riot when I hear one of my relatives
(Good southern women) say the meanest thing about someone only to follow it with "Bless their heart". he he he
Posted by: Everything Mom | Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 01:29 PM
This is soooo cute! And there is quite a lot of good advice here.
Can't we all just get along!?
Posted by: kittyhox | Saturday, September 20, 2008 at 10:27 PM
It sounds like Southern women have something in common with Canadians. ;)
In most situations, I generally keep my mouth shut about politics. I find it too dangerous of a topic.
Posted by: Susan (5 Minutes for Mom) | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 01:01 AM
I LOVE #3. As you know, you can say just about anything about someone as long as it is immediately preceded or followed by "Bless her heart"
Posted by: 'cuz I'm the mommy, that's why | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 04:23 AM
Hey hey hey now. We can't help but cheer for the Longhorn's, they are better than other team out there!! So sorry.
Posted by: Cortni | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 09:44 AM
Awesome post! Sometimes I get carried away on my own blog. It's easy to do. Frustration gets the best of me. Then I write about raising my kids and I get back on the right path mentally! lol. I don't know what makes me crazier, teenagers or politics.
Posted by: Sheila | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Brilliant! Had to post it on my Facebook page because I am just so tired on all the garbage FROM EVERYONE that I need to delete in my inbox!
Posted by: Coco | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 03:24 PM
Haven't you heard? Now it's not Big Hair so much as The Most Flat-Ironed hair here in Texas. All the product, none of the height. Works for me!
Love ya!
Katherine
Posted by: katherine@raisingfive | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 09:10 PM
You're voting for Joe Don? You know how he feels about off shore drilling. And taxes, don't EVEN get me started on his tax plan...
Posted by: Annie Valentine | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 09:52 PM
Is there an election going on? LOL
Posted by: Organizing Mommy | Sunday, September 21, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Bless your heart! A friend of mine shared this link after one of my political blog posts blew up in my face last week. She told me to enjoy it with a cup of sweet tea, bless her heart. ;)
I am reminded of one of my summer jobs in college where an elderly gentleman I worked with very sternly told me that religion, money, and politics were the three subjects that should never be discussed in the workplace or most social settings. That pretty much forced me to be silent for the duration of that employment as there didn't seem to be anything else worth talking about. That was before I had children of course. At least they're a safe topic now, until I start quoting what they said about politics...
I do thank you for sharing your wisdom. The next time I mention a femi-nazi, I will certainly end that statement with bless her little heart. Of course with my luck, it'll probably be mistaken for condescending rather than sincere or even humorous...
Posted by: EEEEMommy | Monday, September 22, 2008 at 09:58 AM
OMG that's too funny "bless his heart" - SNORT!
Posted by: Darla | Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 06:10 PM